School Board Work Session

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceOkay. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Tonight is Monday, February 24th, 2025, and this is the work session of the State River School Board. I'd like to welcome Mr. Eric Foreman, who's here for the, he's going to give us a little update on STPS's Boundary Review Advisory Committee. He's representing city staff. So, Mr. Foreman, what have you been doing?

Eric ForemanI'll tell you, this has been an interesting process.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceIt sure has.

Eric ForemanYes. It's interesting from a few perspectives because, you know, obviously we've all participated in big public projects and the scale of redistricting to 200 schools or whatever it is, it's just hard to fathom. So I'll give a quick update on what I know about the FCPS boundary review process, the whole district-wide process, superintendent's boundary review committee which is the committee that I've been a part of so happy to talk about that the it really is almost unfathomable that the size of this and you know we've all been through some kind of a boundary adjustment for a school that spills over into four or five other schools and it becomes unimaginable so something on this go it's just kind of

fascinating to see how it's done. This apparently was last done district wide in 1986.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceThere's a reason why it hasn't been there.

Speaker 5They've been talking about it for a while. My first meeting 15 years ago was literally, and I remember coming home to tell my husband, they're going to redistrict the whole district and then they never did. They spent $150,000

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceon a consultant back then and when you realize the political implications of it, they were like, they never did anything with that report that they got. It just sort of died.

Eric ForemanNot surprising. I mean, there's a lot. This is almost soap opera-ish. Now. At the last meeting. Parents apparently are sharing made up maps and contributing it to the boundary committee. And we've heard about that not just from one part of the county, but from multiple parts of the county. Because

Carolyn Pitchesby voicethere are certain neighborhoods that want to end up in certain high schools. Madison parents don't want to end up in false church high schools. What do you

Speaker 5say about Madison parents?

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceOh, I know. Madison parents, we would never complain. Never. for not having a joint model. A lot of people who are saying for complaint, well, it's Langley probably. It's only sitting there. ANS. Yeah.

Eric ForemanRight. Right. So the whole process in and of itself is expected to take two years. It wouldn't surprise me if it goes a little bit beyond that. But they have hired a consultant this time for real, and they're doing real heavy work. And it's through consulting is the firm that they're doing it. So that firm organized the boundary review community meetings, which took place in November and December. I think there were 12 of them. There were six in person and six virtual. And they got over 2,000 people to participate in those. So that in and of itself is a big project. But they're also utilizing a software program. Our software boundary program, not the flea and tick color,

Carolyn Pitchesby voicebut the educational

Eric Foremanfront line to do the boundary adjustment work. So that is probably the biggest component. And my guess is really that's going to be 95% of the final product. Will come from. Will come directly from the consultants and front line. So the committee that I'm taking part in is working at the same time as the consultant doing the software work. And the committee meets every other week. It's supposed to meet for two years. It has about 80 members or 100 members or so. So there's at least two or three members from each of the high school pyramids in FCPS. I think there's three from Fairfax High School. I think they're all in the western portion.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceThere's one that lives in this. Oh, there he is. He lives in Comstock.

Amit Hickmanby voiceOh,

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceyou finally,

Amit Hickmanby voicehow did you find her? She has a six-prayer came in this room, and how about you email me back about the five-minute six-prayer party. Oh. Yay. I don't know that she has six-prayer. Unless there's two people with the same name.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceNo. Randy Johnson and Randy Collins.

Eric ForemanI haven't met her yet. I've seen her name. It is a small world. One of the representatives from the Woodson Pyramid is our former planning commissioner, Mark Angus. You walk into this room, you don't expect to really know anybody. Cindy is well represented. So in addition to the two or three parents from each school, there's also FCPS teachers and administrators and operational staff. And there's also other community members who represent special interest groups among either the student body or the teaching staff. There's ethnic groups. There's coalitions of black students or black teachers, Asians, military affiliated families, and special education focus, AAP focus, and so on. So there's, my guess would be 30, 35 of those special focus folks as well.

And then a lot of senior FCPS staff as well. So it's a big group. So I was asked to be part of the committee to represent Fairfax City. I'm glad to do it. There's also my equivalent from Fairfax County as well, Fairfax County government. So I've attended each of the meetings so far. There's been about six of the meetings. And those folks like myself that are representing certain areas or specific groups, we participate just like the parents from the school. So we go into the big room. of five or six people and it's usually pretty random and everyone tends to get assigned the same task. There's good and there's challenging parts of that as well. But the stated purpose of the committee is to bring together a wide variety of

viewpoints and geographies and with the goal of developing boundary scenarios and this is the mission we got, to recommend to the superintendent. And when that happens, Superintendent Freed will review them and forward our recommendations on to the school board. Really, again, I think the main work is going to be done with the software program. I think any input that the committee makes will probably be kind of around the edges. but it just seems, it's too big of a task to have volunteers devote an hour and a half twice a month to doing something of that sort. So it's really, really good consultant work. It's the main part of it. So the FCPS staff, including the superintendent and the consultants, have shared a few things

that they're looking into prioritizing in the overall process, and one of them is split feeders, and there's a lot of interest in reducing or eliminating the split feeder throughout the system. Another that they've concentrated on, at least in telling us, is attendance islands. It's a little bit unclear to me how they define an attendance island, and I've asked for clarification on that, but we haven't gotten clarification. So, you know, the two halves of Fairfax High School, you know, is the one half of it is really huge and is that considered an attendance island because it meets the definition, it's not attached to the other part. Would having an isthmus that goes across US 50 or something, you know, make it not an

attendance island? I don't know the answer to that and it seems like a lot of those communities feel like they're part of Fairfax High School because it's such a big area. an answer to that question.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceI think what they consider attendance on Woodson Island, which was Robinson High School was here, and this was all Robinson, right in the middle, was one neighborhood that drove right by Robinson and went to Woodson, things like that. And I don't see very much of that currently. It's more like what you say where it's sort of like a little, like you have this and then like a little connected offshoot. Right. But it's just sort of those. So I assume that's what they're.

Eric ForemanI would assume so. It tends to have a, you know, there's a lot of weight put on it. So I don't know what really the goal is to.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceWell, from what I understand from Sandy Anderson on the school board, their goal was to make the boundaries not look like they had attendance. that it was going to be like ideally here's the school and then there's like a one-inch boundary around it right that's great that's not going to work for Fairfax because the city butts up right to Woodson High School right so she's like oh yeah so you're that's like a fairytale that's it's not gonna happen but I think that was the goal is to make it more compact

Eric Foremanright

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceso and

Eric ForemanAnd if Fairfax County developed like Iowa, where all the counties are square and the county seat's in the middle, that would work. That would be a challenge. So we'll see if they can hold on to that going forward. So the other themes that have emerged, access to programming, and by that they mean special programs, AAP, language immersion, and whatnot. that the group and the consultants are struggling with. So, you know, if AAP is really the big issue, but the other programs are too. So if you look at something like language immersion, let's say a Korean language immersion, you know, Colin Powell, is that great that the county has a Korean language program immersion or is it not great because there's a lot of students

distance to get there. So there's balancing of that all under access to programming. Capacity, proximity, and transportation are the other big things, and I'm glad it's a surprise. Among the committee members, and especially the parent members, there are two competing factors, and there's a lot of folks who are really opinionated about both of them, And there's a contingent of folks who want boundaries to maximize demographic balance. And there's a contingent of folks who want boundaries to maintain community adhesion as much as possible. So those two frequently were in conflict with each other. And some of the discussion and the shouting across the room has gotten a little bit intense of both of those two things.

that's a challenge for the consultants going forward because it is tough to balance those two on top of everything else that they're doing with so but this right now is actually a good point to report out on what's been done because the committee's work so far has been mostly informational it's been getting the committee members up to speed about what some of these things are that just go into education planning. There's folks who come at this who are extremely experienced and folks who are really new to the education system. So on Friday night, most of the meeting was talking about things like reasons for transfer. So going over special education programs, going over things like the academy,

which isn't quite a transfer, but just explaining all of this to the group that this is the reason why students will transfer from one place to another. Going over things like program capacity and design capacity. So all of this really needs to be explained. And they've done a good job of explaining it and orienting folks to the CIP and whatnot. But as we get farther into the process, I think what's going to happen is the group will be looking at various boundary scenarios. It's not quite clear to me how that will work. if the group will be split up into just looking at specific geographies, if we'll get to choose our geography, because for just about everyone, everyone's more familiar with one part of the county than another.

I don't know. I'll let you know how it works. I really can't imagine. In any event, the next meeting, which is in March, we'll be looking at the first boundary scenarios, type of thing, so they're coming out with two scenarios. One is a scenario of how boundaries would look if sixth grade was transferred to middle school. And that's a theoretical that Superintendent Greed had mentioned early on in the process, so they're going to be looking at that, and I think it's really a computer run, just to see how the capacity would stack up to middle schools. And the second one is looking at attendance with no transfers at all. And again, it's purely hypothetical, but seeing how much, to what extent,

transfers affect overall boundaries. So that'll be an interesting meeting. So I'm looking forward to that. And that's really where we are. So it'll be an interesting process as we go along.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceSo I would say that hopefully they're going to put you consistently with the city scenarios. I would hope so. And if they don't, I think you probably need to insist on that. I don't, I'm not confident they fully understand that our boundaries are not flexible. I think they think they can move us around and they cannot.

Eric ForemanRight.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceIt was quite clear at the joint meeting when board member Marin had asked Dr. Reed about it. She said, so the city boundaries, were we considering the city boundaries or are we considering, and Dr. Reed's response was, we're considering all boundaries. And I said, well, you can't consider the city boundaries because they are inflexible. She had no response. But it's important that they understand that city students go to city schools regardless. Our students are not going to go to Woodson. You know, we're not going to have kids from that part of, like, where your neighborhood lives, go down to Mantua or anything. attend city schools. So that's important for them to and I would say this is for myself, the advocacy

when they talk about the attendance island I think it's mostly if you look at Fairfax boundaries and Providence, there is that little offshoot if they do get rid of that offshoot curious if they're just going to push the boundaries that are theirs out a little bit, like how they're going to, because certainly we're not going to lose all those students and they're not going to replace them. So, I don't know. I'm hoping you'll come back after, you know, every few sessions to kind of update us, like, hey, you know, or do you see something alarming? Right. Please email us.

Eric ForemanOh, no, I definitely would. And actually, just a point of clarification that I'm not quite sure of, the city school boundaries that are outside of city limits, does the Fairfax City School Board need to agree on that? Or does...

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceNo, I mean, not necessarily, but we do need to agree on our capacity. So they can't push the boundaries and increase our capacity without us having a say in that. We own these buildings. And that's sort of a little bit of a sticking point. They're not entitled necessarily to have their kids in these buildings. But, you know, our goal is to make this as collegial a partnership as possible. so it benefits the county and it benefits our students. It's not our goal to push kids out if we have space. They need to really be looking at, if they're gonna change boundaries, I'm assuming they're doing it in order to correct all the capacity issues. So we are over capacity in this building. We are dangerously close.

and at Fairfax I think we're at 98%, 99% capacity and Providence is similar. I think it's 96 or 7%. So, you know, capacity is an issue. So if they shift it to a different neighborhood and that neighborhood has a lot more kids in the neighborhood they've cut out just because it makes the boundary meaner, well then that's going to be problematic for us. So, and you're a demon. So you don't

Speaker 2know

Carolyn Pitchesby voicewhat that is. Thank you. Miss Essary, do you have any questions? I

Speaker 7do. I remember when, like I did the last time they've done a county, what is 1986, but I'm assuming I've experienced the boundary changes in Fairfax High School back in like 2014. Yeah,

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceit was 2014

Speaker 7and I

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceremoved Fairfax real life.

Speaker 7I definitely remember what it felt like in that building as a teacher and then it was shit down. It does change quite a bit of a lot of things. So that's why I'm glad you're on board. I think you're on the commission for that. The one thing I would like to just kind of point out is that I'm really concerned about looking at scenarios of moving sixth grade into middle school. There's pros and cons to that conversation, but it's more if this process has gone through two years and we're in the process of also looking at RFPs to build, you know, recredit our elementary schools, we need to have definitely a voice and whatnot into what that looks like and how does that change our plans and such. So if you can kind of just keep us especially with that.

of a timeline of when they might decide, yes, we want to have six through eight, and what that would look like for our impact as well. I think that would be the biggest thing there. The other piece I wanted to ask is, is there any conversation around the auditing process of verifying addresses to ensure that students who are in county, city county schools, are actually county students? I know that there are other school districts that do utilize a verifying process and will have, say, fourth and eighth grade students will have to verify their placements, saying that they are in the county. Is there anything about conversation happening when we found in conversations?

Eric ForemanI have not heard anything about that. I'm not saying that that's not taking place, but it might be taking place in another part of that.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceyeah we're currently you know speak to a job so that's okay

Speaker 2yeah

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceyeah we

Speaker 2finished just finished up that and the it was pretty accurate so we thought we were gonna see a lot of county kids that were included in the city as a residents that weren't? Especially with our tuition bill? We thought that they might have

Carolyn Pitchesby voicebeen

Speaker 2doing it by zip code. And there are a couple of pockets that Ms. Pitch had pointed out there. That have our zip codes that are not zip. And was there anything else you wanted?

Dan PhillipsstaffNo, other than there's a discrepancy, the SIS information system is not accurate. But the information certainly that Eric had and that the DIT in Fairfax County had was was really accurate

Speaker 2among the updated enrollment of the city kids at each of our schools, we now have worked with them. In fact, she gave it to me over the weekend, the updated version of what you would ask for, and they're going to be able to accommodate that so we can provide the most accurate information because of that CIS discrepancy.

Dan PhillipsstaffYeah, we were going through CIS and through the schools, and we thought we were accurate, but it turned out. And we found out because of a county audit that the information we were using. The

Carolyn Pitchesby voicenumbers that come from the IT are generally more...

Dan PhillipsstaffYeah, they are. It's just easy. It was easier for us to go to the schools to get it. We've set it up now, and so it'll be just as easy to go through.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceDid they find any that were... Any address, kids that were considered...

Dan PhillipsstaffTwo, I think. It was the other way, wasn't it? I think it was two... Great. ...city residents that were listed as county

Speaker 2residents. Yeah,

Dan Phillipsstaffwe

Speaker 2felt the same

Dan Phillipsstaffway. And they were... Well, it might have only been one. It was a pair of siblings. And somehow, but they were both living at the same address.

Speaker 2And that was the amazing part, because they were siblings in the same address. Like, really? Of

Dan Phillipsstaffall the odd ones to have, that was a surprise. But anyway, and with the CIS, it just feels like at the school level, they're going through the process, but it really, it's not a good use of their time. Because it just, some of it's self-reported by families who don't really know

Carolyn Pitchesby voicewhere

Dan Phillipsstaffthey live, you know, one way or the other. and then others are folks in the office who are making their best guess, but addresses change and new places come on board. This will be much more accurate.

Amit Hickmanby voiceOkay. Another second? So, I just need to clarify the question. Are students bused to schools where they're doing language immersion and magnet schools, or isn't it parent? I don't think so. Parents have to tell them, right? Yeah. That's what I thought, okay. So that affects boundaries but doesn't affect bus. But academies,

Carolyn Pitchesby voicethey bus. And if you're in a special education program, you're bus. And AAP, they bus. And AAP, you're bus. Okay.

Amit Hickmanby voiceIn general, has there been any information provided to the group about city boundaries? And that this is, no.

Eric ForemanI'm waiting.

Amit Hickmanby voiceOkay.

Eric ForemanAnd I find it interesting that the city resident lives in Comstock because I've been waiting for the Comstock issue to come up. Somebody will look at Matt and say, oh my goodness, these people live with cyber troops in high school.

Amit Hickmanby voiceI

Eric Foremanknow.

Amit Hickmanby voiceSo

Eric Foremanit will come up eventually, but it's good that she's there.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceYou're a city taxpayer, you go to city school.

Amit Hickmanby voiceWhich might not be clear if she has a sixth grade, that might not be great. You don't think that far ahead, so that might actually not be. It was not mine, I'll say that much. And then, which will be interesting when they do share those two scenarios. Right. If students say, like, what's that going to look like all of a sudden, I'll be curious to see. Have they shared building capacities?

Eric ForemanNo. No, they pointed folks to the CIP because the CIP has all those capacities, but we haven't looked at a capacity map in and of itself. Okay,

Amit Hickmanby voiceso that hasn't been there. Because that's another misnomer I think that's going around. Oh, they've changed capacities so that schools can't have as many as children before and that's been a conversation.

Eric ForemanRight, and that hasn't come up.

Amit Hickmanby voiceWell, building capacity

Eric Foremanis different from program

Amit Hickmanby voicecapacity.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceRight.

Amit Hickmanby voicebut they're going off of they're going off program so I just I think we'll need to kind of put that keep that under your radar keep it close to it because as you said we're not willing to go for our 100% capacity at least

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceno not at all and they don't even want to to be honest with you you want to make sure they don't even come close to 100% because once they do then he'll notify them that guess what you have x amount of time to relocate

Amit Hickmanby voiceOne last question, and again, it's just more informational. So looking at the split theaters, which it does look like we do have a little bit of, for the AAP Center, Katherine Johnson, my understanding is when we switch that over, that everybody went to Katherine Johnson, no more rock and run. But I'm seeing that Powell and Greenwater East actually are listed on this book. Do the students get a choice? We don't get all the calls. No,

Carolyn Pitchesby voicewe don't get all the

Speaker 5calls.

Amit Hickmanby voiceNot even close. So the question is are they doing

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceit based off

Amit Hickmanby voicethe boundary or is it because somehow kids go to Rocky Rump for AP and some go to Adam Johnson? It goes by address. So it's not a choice situation.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceNo, it's not a choice. It's just the boundary runs right through. Okay, but that's one of those split feeders.

Speaker 7Yeah,

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceit's a split feeder.

Speaker 7Those kids then do it once a shift.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceYeah, it's like, you know, Thoreau Middle School is a split theater, the Oakton and Falls Church, is it? Marshall and Madison. Marshall and Madison. I knew it was over there. Yeah.

Amit Hickmanby voiceOkay, thank you. Ms.

Sarah KelseyKelsey. Just wanted a clarification on when you say the transfers, does that include the immersion, the academy, anybody that involves going to a different school? I'm not sure about the academy. I don't think

Carolyn Pitchesby voicethe academy is. No, because academies aren't considered base schools.

Sarah KelseyOkay,

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceso it's only

Sarah Kelseytransfers towards base schools. Correct. Okay, that was my question then. Do

Speaker 7you

Sarah Kelseyhave any

Speaker 7questions? I guess I have two. Because I know there's been talk about building another high school in the western part of the

Carolyn Pitchesby voicecounty. So is that being

Speaker 7brought

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceinto

Speaker 7this conversation?

Eric ForemanIt's fascinating that you asked because I asked that question at Friday's meeting, and not specifically about the high school, but about Dumbar and Elementary. Because I asked, there is a hypothetical.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceCarl Frisch's brainchild.

Eric ForemanSo I asked because I said that in the CIP, there are new schools that are planned because there is a high school, they're called Western High School and Dunloring Elementary and I said are there going to be boundaries that are assigned to those in this process because if they're in the CIP development. And I didn't ask that question to put Superintendents and Breed on the spot. But I just wanted an answer to that. She didn't have the answer to it. So I don't know if that means that Dunloring Elementary is not going to be a standard elementary school.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceNo, according to from CBDC, the committee, that it's not viable as a school. The amount of money that they would have to put into it, it's just, it doesn't make any sense from what I understand. You're

Eric Foremanright.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceSo

Eric Foremanit doesn't make any sense to do the renovation? Because it's in the CIP. It's in the CIP, but they,

Speaker 5I don't

Carolyn Pitchesby voicethink

Eric Foremanwe're

Speaker 2in the

Eric ForemanCIP. I

Speaker 5think it just didn't make another sense. So I live very close to that. like neighborhood and they sent something saying that it's moving forward like it's going to be right

Speaker 2four stories and there's a lot of there's problems with this building in the site well they've addressed correct and that's why they're going vertical there's a problem with building

Speaker 5demolishing the site right they're

Speaker 2going to keep the front and then they're going to build four stories high. It's just

Carolyn Pitchesby voicean inordinate amount of money. Oh yeah.

Speaker 5And I don't, no one seems to want it. I mean at least the neighborhoods in the. In

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceCarl.

Speaker 5Yeah. Can I piggyback on what Lauren said? Is the goal of this to balance everybody out so they don't have to build? I mean, I know you asked that, but what is the goal? Is

Carolyn Pitchesby voicethe goal of this? Yes, because they have schools that are very much under capacity with schools right nearby that are way over capacity. So I think that they hired a consultant with the hope that they could figure out where the shifts could be to balance this.

Speaker 5Yeah, and so then my next, in your opinion, is there a chance, is this an all or nothing thing? Because I know in the past it's been like nothing, you know, like

Amit Hickmanby voicethey've said all

Speaker 5and then we get nothing and then they do these little administrative ones. Like do you see compromises in there? like will they does that make sense like what do you think I

Eric Foremandon't see this as being anything less than district-wide so yeah

Carolyn Pitchesby voicethat's

Speaker 7yeah what and I was curious about the western part of the county I think that

Carolyn Pitchesby voicereally affects Fairfax high a lot

Speaker 7because we didn't

Carolyn Pitchesby voicepull from

Speaker 7from the west

Eric Foremanright and that Western High School I know in the CIP.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceI'm

Eric Foremanjust going by the name in the CIP.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceWasn't it in Herndon? I thought they were going to try and build a high school in the Herndon area.

Speaker 2Yeah, the soccer fields next to the prime plaza

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceare

Speaker 2owned by Ferris-Hanaboga schools. The parents that would come out in arms, the feeder, by none of the board supervisors, aka Blake Lane, have them originally the plan was to build a high school on that site, tear down the other elementary school, to combine the site and make them both vertical, they could accommodate the program and the space. But because of the aka Blake Lane coming, they're looking for additional land in that general region. Yes, it's not inherent. So it shouldn't affect

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceus too much. Our problem is Centerville, we pull a lot of Centerville-Chantilly high school kids who are closer to those two high schools.

Speaker 2In reality, what was intended to happen was to be a huge distribution shift all along 28, all the way down through Chantilly and Centerville. And that would be to accommodate the students that are coming from that region into Fairfax High School. so they would not be. But the capacity issues, this is a couple years from now, so Eric, I don't know what the current thinking is, although I can't hold it.

Eric ForemanI don't know if there is a current thinking. My suspicion, I'm just judging by the lack of specificity in the CIP for all of this, that they're wanting to get this done first and then, if at all, will plan. yeah there's

Amit Hickmanby voicealso a silver line elementary school here that they've got for 2030.

Speaker 2right and that's up finkins road if you look up where the power lines are.

Amit Hickmanby voiceRoute 1 Pinewood Lakes Elementary.

Speaker 2that is Temi-Durring. or EC Center

Amit Hickmanby voicethat might be in our childhood.

Speaker 2and then there's

Amit Hickmanby voiceTyson's Elementary.

Speaker 2which is property that's being used as a soccer field that's dedicated for schools but similar to Blake Lane the property has not been transferred to the school system yet. not like that. The potential exists.

Eric ForemanAnd all of those are identified in the fiscal year 30. Yes. Which means to me that that's maybe. If there was more specificity in some of the earlier fiscal years.

Amit Hickmanby voiceBut John

Eric ForemanWarren has expensive

Amit Hickmanby voicein fiscal year 2026.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceWe'll see.

Eric ForemanSo that's a long answer to that question. The

Carolyn Pitchesby voicething that I guess when you think about moving sixth grade into middle schools, that's going to shift everything. I mean, you have buildings that cannot, this building. these buildings were still as intermediate schools they were never designed for the middle school philosophy so are they going to you might want to ask this question will they be paying for the renovations and any necessary renovations to all middle schools including katherine johnson because we are not going to pay. I'm sorry, I was like speaking. And

Speaker 7I'll add, not learning cottages.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceYeah, no, no. We can't.

Speaker 7Our city council said

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceno. They will not get a special use permit.

Eric ForemanI'm really interested to see what this scenario, and if they attach it to capacity figures as well. I was really, I know this was mentioned earlier But I was surprised that they were coming up with a boundary assessment for it because I just didn't, wasn't of the impression that any, or hardly any of the middle schools would really have existing capacity.

Amit Hickmanby voiceWell, they won't. Most of them are pretty full. So I guess the question is, are they going to try to restructure things so that they can fit it? Yeah. But my hope is that that becomes public information. It seems like the majority of the things like the slides that you're showing, all that gets put online.

Eric ForemanRight. The majority of it is meant to be public information because the parent members, part of their responsibility is to take what's being discussed back to their communities. So it will be, but it's an odd situation coming out with these two straw men type of scenarios.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceWell, they have some board members who are there pushing the middle school, the sixth grade middle school model. Dr. Anderson and Matea Dunn are both proponents of that. I think Matea is one who's originally brought it up. I think Ricky, her schools, Jeff, are 678. Glasgow is

Speaker 2678.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceBut that school is designed differently than the other schools. It's just like Robinson and Lake Braddock were designed as secondary schools. So

Amit Hickmanby voicewould that be discussed? Would those then be 6th through 12th?

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceNo, no, no. They would remain. They don't have an issue.

Amit Hickmanby voiceSo

Carolyn Pitchesby voicethose would be the

Amit Hickmanby voiceonly elementary schools that would be then up to the 6th grade?

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceThat would be the schools? The elementary schools that feed into Glasgow. Glasgow is 6th, 7th, 8th. Right. But what I'm saying is

Amit Hickmanby voiceif Lake Braddock and Robinson

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceOh, you're talking about those schools?

Amit Hickmanby voiceYes, those elementary schools. I don't know what they're

Carolyn Pitchesby voicegoing to do

Amit Hickmanby voicewith it. They would still be sixth. They don't have a place in the sixth grade.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceWell, that's a good question. What are they going to do with the secondary schools? Is

Amit Hickmanby voiceHayfield

Speaker 7also secondary?

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceYeah, Hayfield, Lake Braddock, and... South County's two separate places. Yeah, and Robinson. Robinson. So those are the... And Robinson has about 20-something learning cottages. Mm-hmm. Wow. Yeah. So, anyway, that'll be interesting. But I would be curious in terms of the city, if they go to that model, if they do that, they have to understand that it's going to be them who has to pay for any building obligations. And they have to get the approval of the city school board for any building obligations. We can deny whatever we want.

Amit Hickmanby voiceMy last concern is based off of the conversations we've had, I'm looking at the city capacities. So right now there's an estimate that Daniel turns at 96 and will go down to 93. We're seeing that trend go opposite. You, of all people, know that well. Right. So great, that's a formula that's being used. It is not applicable to the city right now. That's right. I think that needs to be taken into consideration as well. right the same thing that massive huge increase they had in Providence all

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceright well hopefully get back and we'll have you back in a couple of months three months maybe yeah yeah yeah right sounds good alright thanks thanks Eric okay and Dan you want to go ahead and do your mid year facilities probably

Dan Phillipsstafffor the click and hand them here yep

Carolyn Pitchesby voicetell me when

Dan Phillipsstaffso thanks for the opportunity to talk about our facility work this winter we've been working on several large projects and a handful of smaller projects and then also making some plans for the months ahead. And of course our, oh.

Amit Hickmanby voiceThere you go. Hold on. My battery is on. I'm sorry. I'm all going to go for the old fashioned. Let's try that.

Dan PhillipsstaffThere we go. And I'm going to go pretty quick through these. So of course you remember the old press box, just to look at our old friend one more time.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceAnd

Dan Phillipsstaffthen we used this temporary building, and it was well used and well liked as a press box for fall sports this year, and served the needs, and then now, starting in mid-January, the contractors took over the site, sort of threading the needle between the end of fall sports and beginning of spring sports, Just really intensive work there to make sure that 30 years from now there's not a crack in the new press box like the one we had in the old press box. And they lit a great foundation for it. In early February, the folks in Texas loaded this on a truck. Mr. Plattenberg and I were worried because it was a bad weather weekend. We had a long journey from Texas to come up. But it made it. And they had a giant crane.

they loaded it onto the foundation and since then they've been attaching it to the foundation, putting new railings on it, getting all the electrical work on the inside done. They've added, in the last couple of days, they added the fence to the top, which the fence, there's a hutch or a hatch, hatch, hatch should be a rabbit. I'm not sure if there's a rabbit in there, but there's a hatch at the top and some stairs that allow you to go up and they'll be able to film from the top and also visiting coaches. It sounds like the tradition is the visiting coaches still stay outside. The inside of the press box has three separate rooms. You can see one of them in a second here. But there'll be a nice area for our filming

and for visiting coaches. And Jeff and I were worried when we first saw the HVAC the fence because it was like why is that there but now that they put the fence on you can see the next picture with the canopy that's going on it's kind of you can't really see it anymore there'll be blue slats that go in those fences so it'll be all but invisible and it'll certainly be an upgrade over the unheated unair treated press box that we had before and the canopy they put on today and it just looks really really cool I think you know it's going to be a neat They've got a skirt on today also. They've still not got it finished on the sides, but they've got it on the front. That's the thing

Speaker 2down

Dan Phillipsstaffbelow. I'm sorry. Yes, thank you. You know I like to use technical. Jeff has taught me all these terms and now I'm throwing them around like I really know them. The skirting that they put on on the bottom there.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceClearly you didn't grow around a trailer park.

Dan PhillipsstaffI did actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Funny you shouldn't mention that. But, so they've gotten all that just about done. The bulk of the work, substantial completion, will be done by March 2nd, which is a week from now. And there's still some other things that'll happen, but it'll be ready to roll for the first games March 17th, and hopefully for a practice run around March 10th for a scrimmage, or the next room, if you would. And the view, this is like one of the little rooms. And it's amazing to go in and look at the field. And so I think we'll enjoy it an awful lot in the years to come.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceCan the school work in the

Dan Phillipsstafffirst? Yeah.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceOn days that is

Sarah Kelseyfour.

Dan PhillipsstaffYeah.

Sarah KelseyI

Dan Phillipsstaffthink it might cost you votes, but you could probably do that.

Sarah KelseyWe're going to take this one.

Dan PhillipsstaffYou know, graduation, there's now an air conditioner on site. Just throw that out there. Dan

Amit Hickmanby voiceand I.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceYeah.

Dan PhillipsstaffI'll probably still pass out. And you can go to the next one, Barb, if you want to. Let's see, actually, the last one about the press box. So I know I talked to Ms. Melnick today, and Mr. Luther was over there, too. They were very excited about it and looking forward to it. Jeff provided great guidance in getting this thing built the way we wanted it, and then when it arrived on site, it's everything we thought it was going to be, so we're getting there. That'll be exciting in the next couple of weeks to see. some projects at Katherine Johnson. We'll go real quick on this one. We've got the new vestibule that you saw when you walked in today. And I think, oh, I didn't look to see if the new door was out there.

Is it? Nice. It was scheduled to be inserted. He's

Amit Hickmanby voiceworking on it. It's

Dan Phillipsstaffstill out there. Okay. It was scheduled to be done today, so they're already working on that. We've got the next couple of them. We hired somebody to come in. He's not actually working on that. So my photo, last time I saw it, it did not quite have the door yet, but the door was on site, and that'll complete the project. And I think, you know, I know the board had shared a concern about the size of it. I think it turned out okay with, I don't know what you all thought, but it's more... I do want to see about the

Carolyn Pitchesby voicemural.

Dan PhillipsstaffIt does, the mural's intact, and I think it looks kind of cool. You know, that's about the best thing they should have done with

Speaker 2it. I

Speaker 7mean, my oldest just finished through KJ, and he's not my creator. So when he entered KJ, I took a picture of the mural. So that was the one thing I was worried about with this. It's always best to learn. It definitely didn't impact the mural at all. So this doesn't really taste great.

Dan PhillipsstaffAnd it'll be nice. I was in another school, not a city school, earlier today, looking at the vestibule, and they've installed the vestibule, but it doesn't do anything to get folks into the office. You know, it's just kind of another holding area for folks. And this one was done right. So folks would go through the office to sign in. So excited about that. We've got an outdoor classroom going in. This is the old space. And it looks inviting, but in reality, it's often muddy. And it's not exactly a great space for learning, you know, often when it's damp. And so if you go to the next, they've defined the space now with the pavers. working on it. It's honestly like they're doing a number of schools at the same

time and so they've actually got till May to finish. I think we'll probably be done because this is the biggest hardest part of it and they did that kind of in the before the winter snows and then around it. They'll add planters off to the left of this is a shed and a rain barrel sort of tucked into the corner but there'll be some planters around. They're going to replace the trees they took down not this spot because we don't want to create something that's going to cause the pavers to pop up, but they are going to put five trees on the campus to replace the ones they took down. And I think when they get done, I was talking to Mr. Smith and one of the teachers today about the furniture. They provide some sort of half picnic tables, but we may want to put our tables back on

that spot and just figure out what, you know, once it's all done, we can look at it and figure out what is it we want to do with the space now. And it's a nice area for classrooms to learn, certainly for the environmental groups here, and even potentially, and Mr. Smith would have to figure this out as a cafe space for small groups of students when the weather is appropriate. So I think that'll be cool. And then we've just continued our typical maintenance work. They painted the Fairfax County. We worked with them to paint the columns Yeah, that's all done. And they did some painting at Providence, and they're still matching some. So some of the things we talked about over the summer is still a work in progress at Providence.

And they also provided, FCPS provided great assistance to us on these days when it was really, really cold. Several weeks ago, everyone in the county, many, many people in the county had boiler problems, heater problems. We did too. And, you know, we always, Tom Wood helps us always get some special attention, and Jeff was working with folks that he knew in energy management to make sure that it wasn't an ongoing thing. So it's, again, still a work in progress, and by the time we get it all solved, it'll be time for AC. So we'll work on that again, you know, just kind of an ongoing thing. Is

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceit, Jeff, is the issue here? No.

Speaker 2You're seeing it. I just, we were in person. She was, like, dying up there.

Speaker 7You could feel the water change. stifling around the outside of the Ontario. There's no air flow at

Speaker 2all. Pockets in the room. So I'm sorry.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceThe issue with the system not working,

Speaker 2is that... Here?

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceYeah.

Speaker 2Yeah, here there was a part that was bad, and they replaced the part. And the part that they replaced with, I don't know that they actually performed the work I got the energy management tools to do a better job of taking a look at how the control systems are set for occupied and unoccupied. First and foremost, and as I mentioned in the final walk around, the engineering design for this building, based upon what we talked about at the beginning, but this side of the sunsets, the radiant heat, It just was that engineering has some opportunities in the future in terms of design.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceI assume like the older part of the building, whenever you do something like this is like an addition renovation, that the HVAC is never balanced.

Speaker 2That's perfect

Carolyn Pitchesby voicework. In the new and old

Speaker 2part of the building. And you can tell when you walk around, as we did tonight. Yeah, and some of that was for cost savings because the bids came in pretty hard.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceThere

Speaker 2was a fix it, but through renovation of the investment. And these projects were built to address that as well. All of the projects in our mod were costed out to address the imbalance.

Dan PhillipsstaffThe security interior and exterior cameras are up at Daniels Run and Providence. The Daniels Run, they're online but they can't see them in the school yet. The CPS security can see them. Providence is in the process of getting to that step. And there are still servers for both schools for the on-site viewing are still on back order. So they should be coming. It'll be a quick process once they arrive. It's just a matter of booting them up and getting them functional. And then there's a very short training for the staff on being able to use them. So that's coming soon. But yeah, so any time now that should be happening. We're also getting some additional cameras. In fact, this just came in after our meeting today.

FCPS is going to pay for some 20% of the cameras at KJ to pay for it, which is awesome. And that just speaks to the partnership. Well, I think the next slide, actually, I can talk about it a little bit. No, they have more than Sierra, they should pay for it. That's what it takes. So there are two projects, two ongoing, there are multiple ongoing things that we're planning and working on. We're still working on the Raptor badges from FCPS. And I think Jeff helped kind of steer me in the right direction with that. We were talking one time about doing a pilot. The pilot would have had to exist outside the security systems that FCPS already has in place. And so it would have made, it could have made them look more dysfunctional.

So I think right now what we're doing is waiting. FCPS is in the process of finalizing their selection, and they're getting very close. We are going to still be pilot schools when that happens. So we're just a perfect little pilot for two elementaries in middle and high. Teachers will have, yeah, teachers will have a, theoretically until it happens, they would theoretically have a thing that they wear with their name badges that allows any teacher in the building to acknowledge the need for a lockdown rather than looking for somebody to make the announcement to kind of put us in the lockdown. and there will be a device that everybody has that allows them to kind of differentiate between I'm having something in my classroom when I need an administrator or there's a

big emergency we all need to lock down. And so we're getting closer on that I think. FCPS, you know, there'll be a rolling process for them, we'll be in the beginning and that will also mean that we'll have the growing pains to work through. But we'll work with principals and staff when that happens because I think it's at the very it's still an advantage over not having something that would do it. Can you talk along

Carolyn Pitchesby voicebefore they make their decision?

Dan PhillipsstaffI think they've made their decision. What's happening now is they have to go through all the security protocols and make sure the system is going to function with theirs. And we're kind of, I think, at the end of that process also. So I think all of us are checked.

Speaker 2The software and ledger.

Dan PhillipsstaffYeah, there was a problem. That's why we

Speaker 2didn't just jump on it.

Dan PhillipsstaffYeah. And the hardware that they were using, the actual badges, was one that they were buying from another company, and that company recalled all the badges from Raptors, so now Raptors, and they're making their own. And so we're getting there. I was kind of aware of where it's at. And in fact, in that same email where they told us they were going to pay for it, he said, I'm looking forward to the pilot with the city school. So they were on board for it. And again,

Carolyn Pitchesby voicewell

Dan PhillipsstaffI think we may end up paying for some things but eventually the cost would roll in just like it would with all the other schools in FCPS. So there might be a small upfront cost but it sort of remains to be seen. That was when we were thinking that something was going to happen in January. And so if FCPS is, if the start of the FCPS process lines up with the beginning of the next school year, maybe there's no cost at all with us. We're just the first schools to get it, which would be good. So more to come on that, but it's getting closer. And I think the good news is if we had started it and it didn't work, we would have been kind of out there on an island and we would have been soured against something that would

be a good feature for us to have because it's going to be integrated with the county system and it would be more functional I think when the time comes. And then the second thing, we've kind of gone back and forth on bids for a couple of projects. We're back to working with FCPS for the flooring and the auto tech room. We got the lighting done. FCPS did that for us we were gonna go on our own for the flooring and the companies that we went to didn't want to do the project because it involves so much moving of heavy equipment the lifts and all those kind of things so now we're back to FCPS and they put it back out for bids for people who can do the job that we actually have not the calling around to find someone to do it and kind of

another couple it's and then I think we're still on schedule for the summer So it really hasn't impacted the time, but just the setup. Same thing with this. Beautiful. Yeah. But I think. That's a tragic shot. I'm sorry. Yeah, I took it from a long way away also. But if we, you know, in real life, you're really, if you're close, it doesn't. One of the things that were, we went through the city procurement office. This is another one where we were going through FCPS. The initial process was cumbersome and expensive. So we started looking through a company, a job-offered contract through the city procurement office. We're still working with them, but we kind of hold what we're asking for rather than just a renovation of the bathrooms and moving hallways and all that.

What we're asking for right now, right now there are two group bathrooms with multiple toilets in them. And so it's basically four, I think it's four and six, four in the ladies' rooms, a couple of toilets, and then four urinals in the men's room. What we're looking for right now is a price on building, basically putting a wall down the middle of the current men's room and having two individual restrooms. So very much like the middle restroom we have stairs, right? So the net number of bathrooms on the site would go up from what we had before we built the new building. So we'd still have more. I think we could, and one thing, once we get prices, we can look at this. We could theoretically do that in both of those bathrooms.

We'd still have the problem with the isolation in the back, but it would address, you could open it when you needed to open it. Like when you had somebody to staff it, if there's 10,000 could put someone there and open the back bathrooms and you get two additional ones. There's going to be an expense to tear them out anyway so it probably makes sense in my mind if we did decide to go renovating the men's room into two single rooms to wait a year and see where we're at and then figure out what we're tearing out and what we're putting in. Maybe it's storage and maybe it's another two restrooms but more to come on that one. And then a couple more. We was another one. We went through the job offer contract

through the city and we got bids that were very, very expensive and so we've gone back to FCPS. We found the right person I think to talk to an electrical engineer at FCPS who did something helped us with the lighting and the auto tech work actually. We got in touch with this guy and then we reached out to him again and said we're having this conversation about KJ what should we do and he sent us back a bid that was a lot more reasonable and it looks sort of like, go to the next one if you were Barb. This is the upstairs at KJ. We could do this with alternating panels in the ceiling, in the lower floor. Well, so they may be able to put in more, but right now what we have... We definitely need

Carolyn Pitchesby voicemore lighting upstairs. The original, obviously, you know that I was complaining about the old lights from the old part of the room.

Dan Phillipsstaffproblems. This is what we have upstairs, downstairs we have the lighting that goes on the side. Those are not LED bulbs, we can go back one. You could go to something like this that's at another school but use LED rather than the fluorescent bulbs to make it a little bit better. I mean at the end of the day the renovation is when we'd be able to do something bigger. You can do something now to make it a little more bright. You can take out the kind of fixtures that have dropped and broken and things like that and put them in the ceiling. And it's not an outrageous cost. And it does feel like it would be somewhat of an upgrade, but it still doesn't solve.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceI feel

Dan Phillipsstafflike in

Carolyn Pitchesby voicethe old hallway, the old building.

Dan PhillipsstaffDownstairs or upstairs?

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceDownstairs. Okay.

Dan PhillipsstaffThat's where the fixtures are, above the lockers. The old

Carolyn Pitchesby voicemain office used to be. Yep. The hallway is...

Dan PhillipsstaffDown near the cafeteria. in the old front of the building.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceHow the lights are above the loggers.

Dan PhillipsstaffIt's like an old version of this.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceYeah, it just feels so, they put it in the ceiling, I feel like it would really open it.

Dan PhillipsstaffThat's the estimate that we have right now, but it's not going to, it's going to look something more like what upstairs looks like, because they're going to be alternating. Can they

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceput more than what's upstairs?

Dan PhillipsstaffThey can't. They can't. They're working with a limited space above it. So it's going to have to be on the sides rather than right down the middle. But they probably could do more. And there will be LED bulbs I guess. The

Speaker 2luminescence on it will be better of lights than what you have.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceThey don't want to match it later. It's funny because pictures actually see her bright because it's like, it looks pretty

Dan Phillipsstaffgood. It was a really bright day. That's what I'm saying,

Speaker 2as long as it's a sunny day. And narrow.

Dan PhillipsstaffWe'll try to arrange more sunny days for Cape Town.

Amit Hickmanby voiceThe final line is, as soon as the dark blue lockers aren't there, that in itself would like the entire thing. They could just keep the lockers yellow and wrinkle. And

Dan Phillipsstaffthat's probably, I mean those are all things that would end up as capital improvement projects, I guess, if we'd done it down the road. or renovation project. But anyway, we can make it better than it is for a relatively reasonable cost right here. Can

Speaker 7I ask you a question? I'm joking. I've done a number of vinyl renovations in my house, right? And so I'm thinking about something like, why is it so hard to extend the electrical wire to do a few more tiles? I think they

Dan Phillipsstaffcan do that.

Speaker 7In my head, I'm trying to figure out why they're not able to do it.

Dan PhillipsstaffI think it's because of what's above them in the middle so it could be pipes. In the

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceold part of the building, from my understanding, it's pipes that are down the center of the hallway, directly above, which is why the lights in the old part of the building are above the lockers.

Speaker 7And

Carolyn Pitchesby voicethere's crap up there in the ceiling.

Speaker 7That makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. If we're able to increase, like if we have to stick to the sides, if we're able to increase the number of lights along the sides just to try and make it lighter.

Dan PhillipsstaffAnd I think that's, this guy was fantastic at the auto tech room because we asked for one thing and he said, that's not what you want, you want this. And so we asked him what he wanted, thought we needed for this. And so the

Speaker 2essence of your home or anywhere else is, it would appear he's concerned about, from my prior experience, is the amount of amperage and the circuitry in a panel. Yeah. And if he has space, I think you would see a game of a woman essence just doing what you're talking about. But certainly it would be something that, you know, getting the guy, this is why it's so important to have these relationships. because this individual will do not only what we ask him to do, but if there's anything more, he's going to do it. I'm sorry.

Dan PhillipsstaffI'm almost done. Yeah. And then the last two slides, actually, real quick. We are fixing a maintenance issue on the concourse level. I'm not. No alarm. We're fixing a maintenance issue on the concourse level at the high school where some of the concrete is collecting water. And so we're going to get to fix that probably over spring break. And then finally, Barb, we got the latest rendering today of the scoreboard. We're scheduled to do that during the summer this year. So we're working with procurement to make sure the contract is what we want it to be. And this is when they sent us today. It's really everything that we talked about when we did the briefing before. There's the ribbon condensed scoreboard along the bottom that's different than the video scoreboard above.

And there's a sound system that actually goes in that panel at the top. So it should be really good. Coming soon. No, what are you... Sure?

Speaker 7Do I recall, I think, when you were talking about this in the fall, When we were looking at this new scoreboard, is that also do we make renovations to these speakers throughout the stadium too?

Dan PhillipsstaffI think the speaker is in the top of this unit and it covers the whole stadium. And we've still got the temporary setup we have right now has speakers on the roof.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceAnd

Dan Phillipsstaffso if we ran into trouble, there's already another auction that we'll be using until we get the scoreboard. And I think a lot where the sound goes. Because right now it goes from the top of the press box out. When we get this, it's going to be aimed in a different direction or there'll be other things to consider. Any other questions?

Sarah KelseyWhen did you say the scrimmage was? Like the practice run for the scrimmage? Well,

Dan Phillipsstaffsomewhere between the 2nd and the 17th. So I think there are multiple. I think there's something on the 10th, and we were talking about that, but if they finish on the 3rd, and there's someone out there practicing, they'll work on it. Right now, the only thing that really, not the only thing, there's still lots of things that they're finishing, but the biggest thing to make it functional is all the wiring on the inside. And so right now, that's not there, but we all had a big meeting today, and it will be soon. Some things are built in, and others are built in. Yeah, no, I was just

Sarah Kelseysaying, I was just thinking, could you let us know so that, like, if they're practicing calling a game or something, we can actually go and see if we have any additional, you know, input. Well,

Dan Phillipsstaffand I think, I don't know what the game is on the 17th, but that would be like, the 10th, your feedback's always welcome, but when they're playing around with it, it may not be what you think it is, and it's not what they want it to be either. You know what I mean? But by the time we get to an actual game, that might be a really good time to listen to it. But you're always welcome to come to those

Carolyn Pitchesby voicethings. across the corner. Yeah, so it must be a soft one. Could be. They both play, so I don't know. I didn't check. We can find out. It depends. Yeah,

Sarah KelseyI know. One girl's away. Yeah. I had another one, but I'll think of it later because I didn't mark where I had it.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceDo

Sarah Kelseyyou have

Carolyn Pitchesby voicea question, Laura? I

Speaker 7just had a quick question. Sure. When you were talking about the outdoor classrooms, you were talking as if there's an outside group. involved

Dan Phillipsstaffin the outdoor classroom. Building the classroom? Is that what you're asking about? What did I say so I can clarify?

Speaker 7Just a lot of I can't remember.

Dan PhillipsstaffI might have been talking about the so FCPS is actually managing the whole project. So they're doing outdoor classrooms at all the middle schools and all the high schools. So what they basically do is they hire contractors to do a group project. So in my mind, I think they do the paywords at KJ, then they move to Glasgow and put their paywords in. Okay, so

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceFCPS is doing it.

Dan PhillipsstaffFCPS is like managing the project with a group of contractors that come in and actually do the work. Can

Sarah KelseyI piggyback on that? On that, are they putting up like a board of some sort? Like even just like a clear thing or something that teachers could write on as well when they're out there? race like that if they left it up the rain wouldn't wash it off or something you know

Dan PhillipsstaffI know that they have those at some locations and I do not remember seeing it in the plan for KJ so I can check in I

Sarah Kelseywas gonna say that's just something I

Dan Phillipsstaffthink would be beneficial if they're out there

Sarah Kelseyteaching to have something you can put

Dan Phillipsstaffup there some schools have like a portable one that they wheel into the shed and I don't know whether that comes with the package or not I don't I don't remember it coming with it honestly yeah So, I think we're ready to, I think we're done with the permitting process. I thought we were done with the permitting process and then we got more information that we were a little too, there's a difference between a small site plan or minor and major site plan and we tipped into the major site plan which involves the whole campus. What is it? It's a full site plan. Full site plan. And we don't want to do that. I mean, not for anyone. No, no. Yeah, it's just a much bigger... Like how did it

Sarah Kelseygo from just the small to a...

Dan PhillipsstaffIt went the other... Yeah. The land disturbance. And so the plans that were drawn up were a little bit over... They just shrink it a little bit. Well, and it actually had to do with the slab that the shed was sitting on. And so we don't really want to shed at that spot anyway. And so now they've taken the shed off and were under the metal site plan.

Speaker 2And with the difference between a major site plan and a minor site plan, it kicks into a whole different review process as well, and therefore your time just goes...

Eric ForemanYeah.

Speaker 2Okay.

Sarah KelseySo it's basically based off the square footage that that little part is... We

Dan Phillipsstaffhad the same conversations with the concession stand in the press box. And that's why the concourse is a maintenance project and not part of the press box. And they're doing us a

Speaker 2favor by allowing us to change. That's the city work. We've gotten those relationships. Because at the beginning, when we first started working, it wasn't that favorable. We were being treated like other developers. That's a great point.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceWho was doing that? The staff. The city?

Speaker 2Yeah.

Speaker 5The department's office?

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceYeah. Can

Speaker 5I ask you a question? with the KJ thing, do you think that maybe there's an opportunity either with Ace Hardware, Lowe's, or Home Depot to do some kind of a business thing there? Like if we buy some flowers, they could don't, you know what I mean? Do you think that there would be that opportunity?

Speaker 2Always. It's just a matter of when or not, you know. We've done it at Prompt.

Speaker 5I know, that's what I was, I'm leaning, like, there's an Ace Hardware. Ace

Amit Hickmanby voiceis local, Ace Hardware. They donate to Daniel's on all the tax reports. Right, yeah.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceI was like, I don't know where to go anymore.

Dan PhillipsstaffAnd I will say Lowe's was really helpful in the province with our outdoor space.

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceAnd

Dan PhillipsstaffI think they didn't build the amphitheater when Lowe's first opened.

Amit Hickmanby voiceThey donated a lot of things. I know Alan was always up there. They've been great.

Speaker 5Yeah. Alright, maybe is it alright if I kind of explore that a little bit? Absolutely. I don't know about FISA, like what FISA has done.

Speaker 2Yeah, you were talking about who the champion is for the upper classroom, too. I know, but

Speaker 5I'm just saying that she reaches out to everybody.

Dan PhillipsstaffFISA and other teachers that she works with are working closely on it. And again, I think we need to look at what we have once it's complete and then figure out where we would go, like with the planters and things like that. like there'll be some things that they probably already use they already do that they'll move into planners but they'll probably be some additional

Speaker 5let's talk when this is done and

Dan Phillipsstaffit's kept up by the staff and the student groups we have helped them pretty much every year

Sarah KelseyWe did get the city's approval. Have we gotten the city's approval for the video board?

Dan PhillipsstaffWe don't think we have to have a permit. That's where we all are. We might have to plant a new tree or put some slats in the fence. Where we are, let me answer that properly. Once we get the contract that we want, I'm going to send it back to the permitting people and say this is what we're intending to buy. is that still a replacement of any kind? Educational display. Educational display, not an advertising. I mean, there'll be some advertising. That is a sign. And it's

Speaker 2technically different.

Dan PhillipsstaffAnd I think also there'll be some restrictions on the use outside of sports. So theoretically you could run movies, you could do a whole bunch of things. There'll be things that we have

Sarah Kelseyto do. Okay, so that's one big screen, not...

Dan PhillipsstaffEverything from the white one down is... Yeah, that looks that

Speaker 2way because they can do the whole screen.

Sarah KelseySo the whole thing, so the 31, 24, 1st and 10 is all part of that. All video. Gotcha.

Dan PhillipsstaffAnd then the strip on the bottom is like an old style scoreboard that you could use if something happened with video this way.

Sarah KelseyYeah. Imagine fireworks and they could like show the actual... You can see what's on this thing when you're all in

Dan Phillipsstaffthe back. Fourth of July, graduation, there's a whole bunch of really cool uses that do fit into the I

Sarah Kelseywas

Dan Phillipsstaffjust thinking something outside of school

Sarah Kelseyfunction.

Dan PhillipsstaffYeah.

Sarah KelseyOkay.

Dan PhillipsstaffBut you couldn't just advertise all day long Fairfax High School and all night long because that makes it a sign, not an educational school.

Sarah KelseyCan we have it scrolling, like the events that are coming?

Dan PhillipsstaffNo, because that's a sign. that's it i think unless we have another question that was the last line thank you

Speaker 7you

Speaker 5know i think that's honestly uh is that a city rule like i think that's just a given now Like I literally, so yes, of course, but I think it's just a given now that we have to, when, if you're a city property, right? It's part

Sarah Kelseyof the green policy that's coming out, and it will be coming very soon.

Speaker 5I do know that we, staff got an email about that.

Sarah KelseyYes. Can she

Carolyn Pitchesby voiceadvise

Speaker 5it though

Carolyn Pitchesby voicealso? Well, she'll know, like once.

Dan PhillipsstaffPlanters probably have different rules, though, than like the trees they're going to plant. The trees would be native. grow ornamentals and you can grow vegetables and you can do all sorts of stuff. I will

Sarah Kelseysay the ESC is really looking to partner with the schools on doing some of this stuff. So I'm sure you can get somebody to come out.

Speaker 5Let me email Chris and then we'll do that.

Speaker 7It would be interesting. It would be a nice transition from middle school to like we have that native section of the high school. That's really just a great issue for the last decade. And

Dan Phillipsstaffthere's still areas in the courtyard to do other things with. This is just the segment of the courtyard.

Speaker 7Yeah. And then you just said to me, but you just want to clarify the timeline. Like, whatever you find out, the timeline for the badges. Like, I just thought, I didn't know. I

Dan Phillipsstaffmean, I'm saying,

Speaker 7like, it might start this school year.

Dan PhillipsstaffWe're tied to Fairfax County's decision, but I think, if I was guessing, I think it's going to be over the summer into the next school year. But I don't want to put that out there as an expectation. I know. We don't have a definitive decision. We do, too. You know, we want it to be done already. I like to ask. And what I can say is as soon as we know something, I'll share.